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All right.

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Pam, what we're
going to do now is

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we're going to do another
negotiation exercise.

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This time I'm going
to be your dad,

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you're going to be
a 16-year-old girl.

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Your boyfriend,
Ryan, has invited

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you to go to the lake house
with his family for the weekend.

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It's Labor Day weekend.

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And you previously
got an invitation

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to go to the lake
house for a party,

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and I found out that his parents
weren't going to be there,

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so I wouldn't let you go.

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And you want to go and
be with your boyfriend

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over the weekend at the lake.

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OK.

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All right.

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And since you're
a trained actor,

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then I would like you to do
as much as you can to channel

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your inner 16-year-old girl.

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[LAUGHS]

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And react as much as you
think a 16-year-old girl would

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actually react.

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OK.

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Hey Dad?

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Ryan's parents invited
me to their lake house

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for the weekend, for
Labor Day weekend.

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Ryan?

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Yeah, Ryan.

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Ryan's parents.

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Yeah, his parents.

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His parents are going to
be there for the weekend.

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For the weekend.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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For Labor Day weekend.

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For the whole weekend.

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Uh-huh.

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With him and his parents.

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For Labor Day weekend.

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Yeah, for Labor Day weekend.

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They wanted to
know if I could go.

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So you're going to think
that I'm the worst father that

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ever lived.

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You're going to hate me.

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You're going to tell me
that I'm ruining your life.

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I want to spend the
weekend with you.

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Labor Day weekend
is a big deal to me.

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Dad.

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I mean, I just want
to go with them, OK?

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This is kind of a big deal
that they asked me, OK?

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To spend the
weekend on the lake.

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Like we can spend the
weekend together anytime.

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And it's important that I go.

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It's important that you go.

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Yeah.

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It's important that I go.

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What makes it important?

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Because it's like, you
know, a big step in Ryan and--

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you know, it's--

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A big step?

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Yeah, because his parents
are accepting me or whatever.

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They asked me to go,
they're being nice.

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They like me.

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They like you.

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Yeah, they like me.

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And Ryan likes me,
and they want me

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to spend the weekend with them.

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How am I supposed
to go along with that?

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I don't know what
the big deal is.

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Yeah, so I go away
for the weekend.

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It's not like we're staying
in the same room or anything.

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How do I know where
you're going to stay?

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Because his parents
are going to be there.

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They're going to be
there the whole time.

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Yeah.

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His parents are going to
be there the whole time.

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They're all going to sit
around in the living room

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together and stare at each
other for the entire weekend.

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I guess, or go on the lake
on the boat or whatever.

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Have you been there before?

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No, because you
won't let me go before.

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Remember?

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They had a party there and
I couldn't go to the party?

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Yeah, so it sounds like
Ryan's parents don't actually

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keep that close track of him.

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They do.

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They're going to be
there this whole weekend.

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They let him throw a party
at the house over the weekend

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where they weren't even there.

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Right.

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So they allowed him to do that.

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It sounds like they're really
not around him all that much.

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Well, they're going to
be there this weekend!

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And what makes
this important again?

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It's just important, Dad,
because it shows that I--

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you know, they asked me!

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They asked me to go!

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And do you want me
to have fun, to go?

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Sounds like it's
important you what

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Ryan's parents think of you.

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Well, I guess.

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So it's not important.

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You don't care what they think.

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I do care what they think.

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I do care what they
think, so it is important.

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OK, it's important
what they think of me.

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OK?

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It's important what
Ryan thinks of me.

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All right?

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And then it's important what
you think of Ryan, because he's

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going to think that
you don't like him,

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and his parents are going to
think that you don't like him,

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if you don't let me go.

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And what makes this important?

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It's just important, Dad.

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Because you know, I don't know.

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What if Ryan's like,
oh, that's weird.

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She can't go this weekend,
her dad won't let her go.

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And then he's like
oh, maybe I'll

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get a different
girlfriend, somebody whose

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dad lets her hang out with me.

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You know?

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Sounds like you
really don't trust Ryan.

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It's not that I don't
trust him, you know?

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I trust him.

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Sounds like he's not
that dedicated to you.

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I don't know.

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Dad, whatever!

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Maybe he is.

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I don't know.

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Of course, he's dedicated.

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OK?

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I just want to go.

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So how does this
affect your future?

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Then it would be good, because
I would have fun and have

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a nice weekend,
and then Ryan and I

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would be boyfriend and
girlfriend for a long time.

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So as long as you have
fun and have a nice weekend,

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you don't have to
go to the lake.

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No, that's not
what I'm saying.

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So how does he
really feel about you?

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He loves me, Dad.

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We love each other.

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How do you know?

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Because he says it.

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He said it.

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And he's inviting me to go.

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So it seems really
important to you.

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Yeah.

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What is him inviting you
to the lake for the weekend,

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how is it important?

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What does that mean?

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It means that they're
taking me into their family,

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to be part of their family,
that they're accepting me.

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And so what's the
next step after that?

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I don't know, Dad, that
whatever, that we're together.

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Together?

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That we're going out,
that we're in love, Dad.

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I don't know what's
going to happen, OK?

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I'm not saying we're going
to get married or anything.

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So how much does he
really care about you?

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He cares about me a lot.

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And you mean a lot to him.

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I do.

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But it sounds like
you're worried about what

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he'll do if you're not there.

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I'm not worried, OK?

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I'm not worried.

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I'm not worried
if I'm not there.

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OK?

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So it's not that big
of a deal to not go?

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It's a big deal to go!

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So I'm going to
be a horrible person

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and ruin your whole life
if I don't let you go.

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I guess not.

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I don't know.

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Well, I care about you.

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And I care about the
decisions that you make

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and the decisions
that you don't make.

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And I don't think it's a
good idea for you to go.

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Well, why not?

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Well, his parents,
these are the same people

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who let him throw a wild party
at the lake over the weekend,

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and they weren't there at all.

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It doesn't sound
to me like they're

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watching him that closely.

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It doesn't sound like
he feels particularly

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accountable to his parents.

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So I'm like, 16, Dad.

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I'm going to be an adult
in like, two years.

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Yes, and you'll be able
to make all those decisions

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for yourself in two years.

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And in the meantime, it's
my job to protect you.

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Fine.

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All right.

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We'll stop there.

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[LAUGHS]

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[INAUDIBLE] about it.

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But I felt like it's
interesting, because you

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were never like, no.

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You were like, I'm going
to be a horrible person.

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You're going to think
I'm terrible if I

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don't let you go, if I say
no, if I don't let you go.

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But you weren't like,
no, you can't go.

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You weren't combative with me.

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Right.

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So it kept you from
getting combative.

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It kept me from
getting combative,

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even though I wanted
to be combative.

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But then to me, too, I
was like, oh, it's really

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making me think about Ryan.

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Because when you're like, so
you don't trust him, then.

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So he doesn't care about
you, he doesn't respect you?

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You're afraid that if you're
not there for one second.

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And then I was like, oh no,
that is what I feel like,

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and that's wrong
to feel like that.

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That's not what like
the relationship

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should be like, you know,
is what I was thinking.

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Right, ah interesting.

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Yeah, so you were
making me feel that way.

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You were making me be like,
oh, so you don't trust him?

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And I'm like, no,
I do trust him.

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So you were just kind
of being like, then

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why is it so important
for you to go?

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You know?

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And all I was
just really trying

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to do throughout
the duration of it

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is I think it's a parent's job
to teach their kids to think.

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And so all I was
really trying to do

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was to get you to really
think hard about all of this.

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Right.

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And how much it meant, and
what your assessment is of him.

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And I just really wanted
you to think hard about it.

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And before I said anything
for sure one way or another,

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I just wanted to make sure
you were thinking all of it

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all the way through.

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And I wanted to do
it in a way that

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didn't make you feel like I was
forcing you to think about it.

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I wanted to say,
now wait a minute,

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think about this
for two seconds.

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Right.

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But I wanted to
get you to think

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about it without
you feeling like I

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was making you think about it.

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Right.

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So that was really
all I was after.

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Think all this through.

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Only you think it
through as opposed to me

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thinking it through for you.

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Right.

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And it's interesting
that you then

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started to worry about what
you really thought of him.

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[LAUGHS] Yeah.

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And then I was trying to
bring up the thing of,

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you didn't let me go before,
so you should let me go now.

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And then you turned it
around to be like, oh,

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so his parents
weren't there before.

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And I was like oh, no!

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Why did I mention that?

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So I thought it was interesting.

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Even though there were times
where I was like frustrated, as

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a teenager, I was like oh, OK.

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Yeah, you're right,
you're right.

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It shouldn't be that important.

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It doesn't matter.

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All right, very good.

